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The chat today was majorly about binary XML support ....

[8/25/2005 8:09 AM] <dsosnoski> tried several variations, most recently "WSDL2Java.sh -o src/gen -url file:///home/dennis/.../SeismicService.wsdl"
[8/25/2005 8:11 AM] <dsosnoski> "nothing obvious happens"
[8/25/2005 8:11 AM] -->| dims (n=dims@c-24-63-102-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #apache-axis
[8/25/2005 8:11 AM] <dims> hi all
[8/25/2005 8:11 AM] <dsosnoski> hi dims!
[8/25/2005 8:11 AM] <Chinthaka> Hi Dims
[8/25/2005 8:12 AM] <dims> just reading up on someone cribbing about us (Axis2) - http://jroller.com/page/prane?entry=sorry_state_of_web_services
[8/25/2005 8:12 AM] <dims> crib = complain :)
[8/25/2005 8:14 AM] [INFO] <irc://irc.freenode.org/apache-axis> will now open at startup.
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[8/25/2005 8:15 AM] <Chinthaka> Hi Chathura !! 
[8/25/2005 8:15 AM] <chathura> hello chinthaka
[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] <chathura> couldnt check on the release yet though:(
[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] <dims> dennis: FYI, plan of attack for 1.0...enter as many JIRA issues as you think we need in 1.0 and then start sorting/prioritizing.
[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] <chathura> didnt get a machine yet
[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] <chathura> ;-)
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[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] <dims> chathura: welcome to the US of A :)
[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] * sanjiva hi all .. sorry to be late
[8/25/2005 8:16 AM] <chathura> :) thanks
[8/25/2005 8:17 AM] <dims> ping me if you need something :)
[8/25/2005 8:17 AM] <chathura> will do thanks
[8/25/2005 8:18 AM] <dsosnoski> will do, dims - right now I'm having problems just trying to use WSDL2Java
[8/25/2005 8:18 AM] <dsosnoski> I thought problems were user error, but I'll enter a bug report if I can't get past
[8/25/2005 8:19 AM] <chathura> i managed to get some credits allocated to do some research work in Axis(Probably in WSDL)
[8/25/2005 8:20 AM] <chathura> so is srinath 
[8/25/2005 8:20 AM] <dims> dennis: don't waste too much time thinking it's a user error...there is stuff that needs to be done still.
[8/25/2005 8:22 AM] <Chinthaka> Chathura, thats great. So we have some graduate research students from Indiana "excavating" more on Axis2
[8/25/2005 8:23 AM] * dims got "maven clean all-tests" working finally!!!!!!!!
[8/25/2005 8:24 AM] <dims> please yell at me if it does not work. 
[8/25/2005 8:24 AM] <dims> remember i will yell back if you break all-tests :)
[8/25/2005 8:25 AM] <Chinthaka> is there anyway we can run only selected set of tests using Maven ?
[8/25/2005 8:25 AM] <Chinthaka> I wanna introduce a goal to run offline tests
[8/25/2005 8:25 AM] <Chinthaka> as some tests require you to be online, interop tests a good example 
[8/25/2005 8:26 AM] <dims> Chinthaka: "maven clean all-tests" will run all tests
[8/25/2005 8:26 AM] <dims> run "maven" to run the normal tests
[8/25/2005 8:26 AM] <dims> i can add "maven tests" for normal tests if you want
[8/25/2005 8:27 AM] <dims> i have separated out the interop tests already. they are not run if you just run "maven"
[8/25/2005 8:27 AM] <Chinthaka> ok
[8/25/2005 8:27 AM] <dims> let me know if you want other combinations.
[8/25/2005 8:27 AM] <Chinthaka> I think they are the only tests that require you to be online
[8/25/2005 8:28 AM] <Chinthaka> ok, thanks
[8/25/2005 8:28 AM] <dims> basically use "maven" all the time and "maven all-tests" periodically
[8/25/2005 8:28 AM] <Chinthaka> ok
[8/25/2005 8:28 AM] <dims> if you want to skip running tests then run "maven -Dmaven.test.skip=true"
[8/25/2005 8:28 AM] <dims> this will do the build for all the modules w/o running tests
[8/25/2005 8:30 AM] <Chinthaka> I have a question on binary stuff
[8/25/2005 8:30 AM] <Chinthaka> if I wanna send the SOAP message as binary
[8/25/2005 8:30 AM] <Chinthaka> 1. Do i have to change the content type ?
[8/25/2005 8:31 AM] <Chinthaka> 2. if yes, what is the correct content type ?
[8/25/2005 8:31 AM] <Chinthaka> I think this should be asked in a SOAP community
[8/25/2005 8:31 AM] <dims> Chinthaka: best bet soapbuilders yahoo groups
[8/25/2005 8:31 AM] <Chinthaka> just checking with you
[8/25/2005 8:32 AM] <dims> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soapbuilders/
[8/25/2005 8:32 AM] <Chinthaka> I've subscribed to this, will send a mail there
[8/25/2005 8:32 AM] <dims> need to check existing implementatiosn....i have no clue.
[8/25/2005 8:33 AM] <dims> sun seems to use "application/soap+fastinfoset"
[8/25/2005 8:33 AM] <dims> see http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/xml/fastinfoset/
[8/25/2005 8:36 AM] <dsosnoski> don't think there's any standard on content types for binary representations
[8/25/2005 8:36 AM] <dsosnoski> probably best to check soapbuilders
[8/25/2005 8:36 AM] <Chinthaka> ok, thanks
[8/25/2005 8:37 AM] <sanjiva> I wonder whether sun actually registered application/soap+fastinfoset
[8/25/2005 8:37 AM] <sanjiva> if they did we should use it for the version which serializes to that format
[8/25/2005 8:38 AM] <sanjiva> For other stuff I'd suggest we use x-axis/soap+<xyz> kind of format .. x-foo means its an extension and doesn't have to be registered
[8/25/2005 8:38 AM] <sanjiva> btw .. we need to quickly support another format too; otherwise there'll be all kinds of political press about how fastinfoset has become a standard ;-)
[8/25/2005 8:38 AM] <dsosnoski> only problem with x-axis is if we want to be interoperable
[8/25/2005 8:39 AM] <dsosnoski> is x-application allowed?
[8/25/2005 8:39 AM] <sanjiva> sure .. x-whatever-you-want-after-x-
[8/25/2005 8:39 AM] <Chinthaka> can we be interoperable with binary stuff ? (am I stupid ? )
[8/25/2005 8:39 AM] <sanjiva> just like x-foo headers in smtp
[8/25/2005 8:40 AM] <sanjiva> for fastinfoset it should work interoperably with sun's impl .. is that support in jwsdp?
[8/25/2005 8:40 AM] <dsosnoski> Chinthaka: with other implementations that support the same encoding
[8/25/2005 8:41 AM] <Chinthaka> yeah, true. But I searched for a standard way for this, but had no luck on that so far
[8/25/2005 8:41 AM] <Chinthaka> need to check with SOAPBuilders
[8/25/2005 8:41 AM] <dsosnoski> I'll try JibxSoap support for XBIS, so if Axis2 also supports we'll be able to interoperate
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[8/25/2005 8:42 AM] <sanjiva> excellent! Dennis, do you have a StaX interface for JibxSoap?
[8/25/2005 8:42 AM] <dsosnoski> Chinthaka: "searched for a standard way for this" - do you mean for using fastinfoset?
[8/25/2005 8:43 AM] <Chinthaka> using FI with SOAP
[8/25/2005 8:43 AM] <dsosnoski> no StAX interface yet, but I'm going to add StAX input and output right after JiBX 1.0 release
[8/25/2005 8:43 AM] <sanjiva> Chinthaka: that's a Sun "standard" .. so we might as well use the soap content type
[8/25/2005 8:44 AM] <dsosnoski> once it's in JiBX JibxSoap gets it pretty much automatically
[8/25/2005 8:44 AM] <Chinthaka> ohh, thats great Dennis
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[8/25/2005 8:44 AM] <Chinthaka> Sanjiva see, we will support jibx too, not only FI
[8/25/2005 8:44 AM] <Chinthaka> so less politics ;)
[8/25/2005 8:44 AM] <sanjiva> dsosnoski: cool; that'll make the integration a snap ..
[8/25/2005 8:44 AM] <sanjiva> s/snap/relative snap/ ;-)
[8/25/2005 8:45 AM] <dsosnoski> Chinthaka: I'd think you'd just use the FI encoder/decoder for talking to JWSDP impl
[8/25/2005 8:45 AM] <Chinthaka> yes, thinking for that too
[8/25/2005 8:46 AM] <Chinthaka> anyway, I'd like repeat what Dims stated earlier in this for those who were not here then
[8/25/2005 8:46 AM] <dims> sanjiva: can we use simple "octet-stream"
[8/25/2005 8:46 AM] <dims> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt
[8/25/2005 8:46 AM] <Chinthaka> dims    dennis: FYI, plan of attack for 1.0...enter as many JIRA issues as you think we need in 1.0 and then start sorting/prioritizing.
[8/25/2005 8:46 AM] <dims> i mean "application/octet-stream"
[8/25/2005 8:47 AM] <dsosnoski> dims: "octet-stream" doesn't give any meaningful info for remote end
[8/25/2005 8:47 AM] <dsosnoski> x-application/xbis or application/soap+fastinfoset should be interoperable
[8/25/2005 8:49 AM] <dsosnoski> (assuming everyone can agree on what form to use ;-) )
[8/25/2005 8:51 AM] <dims> FYI - http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/xop+xml
[8/25/2005 8:52 AM] <dims> Eran, what's the binary formats you want to support?
[8/25/2005 8:52 AM] <Chinthaka> FI, initially
[8/25/2005 8:52 AM] <dims> "application/xbis+xml" seems reasonable following the xop pattern
[8/25/2005 8:53 AM] <Chinthaka> aand JiBX after that
[8/25/2005 8:53 AM] <Chinthaka> I'd like to have DFDL too
[8/25/2005 8:53 AM] <dims> let's use "application/fi+xml" "application/dfdl+xml" etc.
[8/25/2005 8:54 AM] <dims> follow the same pttern
[8/25/2005 8:54 AM] <dims> sounds fair?
[8/25/2005 8:54 AM] <dsosnoski> sounds good to me
[8/25/2005 8:54 AM] <Chinthaka> for SOAP 1.1, what will be the content type /
[8/25/2005 8:54 AM] <Chinthaka> ?
[8/25/2005 8:56 AM] <dims> what do we use by default?
[8/25/2005 8:56 AM] <dims> (non binary)
[8/25/2005 8:56 AM] <dims> text/xml?
[8/25/2005 8:57 AM] <Chinthaka> yes
[8/25/2005 8:57 AM] <Chinthaka> binary ?
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[8/25/2005 8:59 AM] <dims> can't we use the same thing as above?
[8/25/2005 9:00 AM] <Chinthaka> what do u mean ? application/fi+xml ?
[8/25/2005 9:00 AM] <dims> yep
[8/25/2005 9:00 AM] <Chinthaka> well, we wanna know the SOAP version from the content type
[8/25/2005 9:01 AM] <Chinthaka> actually in non-binary case, we use CT to validate the message too
[8/25/2005 9:01 AM] <Chinthaka> CT = ContentType
[8/25/2005 9:01 AM] <dsosnoski> ah, interesting issue on CT
[8/25/2005 9:01 AM] <dims> i guess you will have to inspect the soap envelope's namespace :)
[8/25/2005 9:01 AM] <dsosnoski> don't you also know from the SOAP namespace, though?
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <Chinthaka> Dims, Yes
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <dims> it's very dicey relying on contenttype
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <dims> :)
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <Chinthaka> but if you look at the code now
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <dims> i know :)
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <Chinthaka> I'm checking whether the envelope namespace and the content type matches
[8/25/2005 9:02 AM] <dims> we use diff builders based on content-type
[8/25/2005 9:03 AM] <dims> any suggestions?
[8/25/2005 9:03 AM] <Chinthaka> oh, another builder ?
[8/25/2005 9:04 AM] <dims> i guess, you can keep "text/xml" and use the "Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary"? but then we don't know if it is fi or dfdl or xbis
[8/25/2005 9:05 AM] <dims> i know....
[8/25/2005 9:05 AM] <dims> use the start-info :)
[8/25/2005 9:05 AM] <Chinthaka> sorry, didn't get it
[8/25/2005 9:05 AM] <dims> hang on
[8/25/2005 9:06 AM] <dims> Content-Type: text/xml; start-info="application/fi+xml"
[8/25/2005 9:07 AM] <dims> something like that
[8/25/2005 9:07 AM] <Chinthaka> ohh, good idea
[8/25/2005 9:08 AM] <Chinthaka> BTW, do we have any other stuff to talk abt (I feel guilty of having this discussion only on binary stuff)
[8/25/2005 9:12 AM] <Chinthaka> ping
[8/25/2005 9:13 AM] <chamil> host not found :)
[8/25/2005 9:14 AM] <saminda> what about chunking on/off in MTOM senario
[8/25/2005 9:15 AM] <dims> saminda: have u added a bug report yet?
[8/25/2005 9:16 AM] <saminda> i would do it Dims
[8/25/2005 9:16 AM] * dims still needs to think about it
[8/25/2005 9:17 AM] <dims> Everyone, PLEASE think about what needs to go into 1.0 final release and create jira bugs however trivial they may be :)
[8/25/2005 9:21 AM] <chamil> hey dims I am not sure about the requirment for http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-157
[8/25/2005 9:21 AM] <chamil> i did a bit of searching but could not get a clear idea
[8/25/2005 9:22 AM] <chamil> 157 = Axis2 deployer for Geronimo
[8/25/2005 9:23 AM] <chathura> i gott go guy good day/ night 
[8/25/2005 9:23 AM] <dims> basically it's being able to hook up our axis2 servlet into geronimo and being able to deploy services and modules specified in the WAR
[8/25/2005 9:23 AM] <dims> bye chathura
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[8/25/2005 9:23 AM] <chamil> is it the same as what has been done for axis now in Geronimo?
[8/25/2005 9:23 AM] <dims> check the axis-builder (for Axis1 stuff) and servicemix-builder
[8/25/2005 9:24 AM] <chamil> ok will do thankx
[8/25/2005 9:24 AM] <dims> am off as well
[8/25/2005 9:24 AM] <chamil> bye guys
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[8/25/2005 9:25 AM] <dims> bye all

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